El nacimiento de la tragedia

El nacimiento de la tragedia

Friedrich Nietzsche / Aug 20, 2019

El nacimiento de la tragedia El nacimiento de la tragedia en el esp ritu de la m sica t tulo original en alem n Die Geburt der Trag die aus dem Geiste der Musik es un libro escrito entre y por el fil sofo alem n Friedri

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  • El nacimiento de la tragedia en el esp ritu de la m sica t tulo original en alem n Die Geburt der Trag die aus dem Geiste der Musik es un libro escrito entre 1871 y 1872 por el fil sofo alem n Friedrich Nietzsche.Este primer libro del fil sofo alem n Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche fue muy controvertido en su tiempo ya que no s lo expone de forma sistem tica el contenido deEl nacimiento de la tragedia en el esp ritu de la m sica t tulo original en alem n Die Geburt der Trag die aus dem Geiste der Musik es un libro escrito entre 1871 y 1872 por el fil sofo alem n Friedrich Nietzsche.Este primer libro del fil sofo alem n Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche fue muy controvertido en su tiempo ya que no s lo expone de forma sistem tica el contenido de su estudio de los griegos, sino que tambi n empieza a moldear su filosof a, que ya estaba influida por los pensamientos de Schopenhauer y por la m sica y el concepto de la misma de Richard Wagner En sentido nietzscheano, este libro sirve entre otras para explicar la convivencia de la tragedia en la antigua Grecia concepto distinto al que tenemos hoy de tragedia , la afirmaci n rec proca de la vida y el eterno retorno.

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        Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche 1844 1900 is a German philosopher of the late 19th century who challenged the foundations of Christianity and traditional morality He was interested in the enhancement of individual and cultural health, and believed in life, creativity, power, and the realities of the world we live in, rather than those situated in a world beyond Central to his philosophy is the idea of life affirmation, which involves an honest questioning of all doctrines that drain life s expansive energies, however socially prevalent those views might be Often referred to as one of the first existentialist philosophers along with S ren Kierkegaard 1813 1855 , Nietzsche s revitalizing philosophy has inspired leading figures in all walks of cultural life, including dancers, poets, novelists, painters, psychologists, philosophers, sociologists and social revolutionaries.From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy


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    1. With his vivid, passionate language, 19th century German philosopher Fredrich Nietzsche wrote his books as a way to pry open a space in a reader’s psyche, a space empowering an individual to embark on a journey of inner exploration. This is precisely why I think any attempt, no matter how well intended, to rephrase, paraphrase or synopsize Nietzsche, without including a fair amount of Nietzsche’s actual words, is a terrible injustice committed against one of the greatest literary stylists in [...]


    2. Apollo Vs Dionysus: A Darwinian DramaNietzsche never struck me as a real philosopher. He was too much the story-teller.This is probably his most a-philosophical (?) work. But it is my favorite. It was the most accessible to me and it was the most relevant of his works. It helped me form my own convictions. It was universal and yet not choke full of platitudes. It was forceful but not descending into loud (almost incomprehensible) invectives. (you know which works I subtly allude to)'Birth of Tra [...]


    3. A few weeks ago, I finished Marx’s Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right. It strikes me now that that book and this one are similar, in that they shed light on the two thinkers as young men. In Marx’s Critique, we see the twenty-something grappling with the tentacled beast of Hegel; in The Birth of Tragedy, we see young Nietzsche taking his first bold step off the straight-and-narrow path of academia into his own world of thought. Both books are, to put it delicately, ‘young men’s bo [...]


    4. Αν αξίζει να διαβαστεί από το ελληνικό κοινό κάποιο έργο του Νίτσε, είναι αυτό το βιβλίο. Σχεδόν ούτε 30 ετών, ο Νίτσε γράφει ένα έργο που θα αλλάξει την εικόνα φιλολόγων, φιλοσόφων, ηθοποιών, σκηνοθετών και μελετητών για την αρχαία τραγωδία. Απ όλα τα έργα του αυτό είναι το πι [...]


    5. Friedrich Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy In Helen Morales' introduction to Tim Whitmarsh's fine new translation ofLeucippe and Clitophon , /review/show/written by the Alexandrian Greek Achilles Tatius in the 2nd century CE, she mentions that Nietzsche condemned the ancient Greek novels as a final sign of the degeneration of Greek literary art. I had forgotten all about that, so I thumbed throughDie Geburt der Tragödieto find what he said in context and was pulled into the book again by his wo [...]


    6. Nietzsche. Years ago, all I knew about him was that overused quote that says “Without music, life would be a mistake”. A couple of days ago, I found a funny picture that reminded of that.Ha! Ok, maybe not funny ha-ha. If you speak SpanishAnyway. The Birth of Tragedy, Nietzsche's first work. I read it years ago (the great Schopenhauer led me to him) but I didn't remember much. Since I want (or wanted, I don't know) to start with Thus spoke Zarathustra, I figured I should begin with something [...]


    7. Sanat ve estetik üzerine, Antik Çağ felsefesi üzerine, Yunanlılar ve tragedya üzerine, müzik ve özellikle Wagner üzerine Schopenhauer ve Goethe destekli Tragedyanın doğuşu ama biraz da Nietzsche’nin doğuşu.


    8. The Birth of Tragedy is by far the better written and useful of the three works by Friedrich Nietzsche that I have so far read. Thus proving that when he is not angrily ranting about religion and morality, that Nietzsche does have important points to make about humanity. That is not to say that Nietzsche does not have his own pointed comments about religion in this narrative argument that he creates, more that these comments are superseded by the other arguments created by Nietzsche. In the fore [...]


    9. This is less a review than ponderings and comments after having finished the book.Could it legitimately be argued that, as in Western culture individualism is increasingly valued, the necessity for Dionysian communal frenzy becomes increasingly imperative for psychological wholeness? Hence, for example, all those phenomena of “mob” emotion - sporting events, militant nationalism, partisan politics and political polarization, any group identifications.Nietzsche’s vision and argument, while [...]


    10. Before Nietzsche became unhinged he wrote this great work. It took a toll on me after I read it because it was my introduction to Nietzsche and everything of his that I read afterwards was miscued; it scattered my thought process for a few years. The Joyful Wisdom, filled with remarkable poetry, was nearly like an acid trip. Thank goodness young minds have the capacity of recovering.At its simplest, The Birth of Tragedy is a foundation for drama - that which captures you and also moves you, wax [...]


    11. ‘Only as an aesthetic phenomenon that existence and the world are eternally justified.’ In The Birth of Tragedy, Nietzsche’s first book, he describes what he believes are the two central forces in art and how they merged to form Greek tragedy. The two forces are the Dionysian and the Apolline. The Dionysian is wild, formless and is associated with music, the will and breaking through cultural norms. The Apolline deals with sculpture, dreams, poetry, restraint and the individual.The ancient [...]


    12. This book helps me understand why I don't like Socrates: his generalization about rationality and virtue is too optimistic, unartistic, and will-negating. In one word, boring. Rationality itself can never make life worth living. Disillusion, semblance, errors, deceptions, irrational impulses, all of which Socrates negate, are inseparable from life, they are what life ultimately rests on. What can theoretical knowledge possibly lead to, other than the killing of action, or the nihilistic revelati [...]


    13. This is very obviously a major work of literary criticism. Nietzsche succeeds with the very improbable endeavor of presenting a new vision of Greek tragedy in opposition to the interpretation of Aristotle. Reducing to the point of absurdity, Aristotle argues that tragedy offers us catharsis; that is to say, it purges us of our existential anxiety whereas Nietzsche argues that tragedy is a celebration of the basic absurdity of man's condition.Nietzsche attacks with considerable success everything [...]


    14. The author, who certainly knew his Greek history, argues that early classical Greek tragedies (i.e. written by Aeschylus and Sophocles) demonstrated an heroic effort to understand and affirm human suffering and existence in a meaningless world. Greek culture was a blend between the Apollonian and the Dionysian. Apollo, the sun god, sought to bring order, meaning, and form to the harsh world people saw around them. Dionysus, the god of wine, sought to immerse people in the immediate changing worl [...]


    15. As The Birth of Tragedy was Nietzsche's first published book, it is a rather awkwardly written representation of his early ideas. Nietzsche lamented as much in a supplementary preface, which he wrote fifteen years later in 1886. The older Nietzsche looks back, as we all do, with embarrassment on his younger self. He writes, "Today I find it an impossible book: I consider it badly written, ponderous, embarrassing, image-mad and image-confused, sentimental, in places saccharine to the point of eff [...]


    16. È sempre difficile, per chi non ci è troppo abituato, avvicinarsi a un filosofo e alla filosofia in sé.Nella sua ambiguità e nei suoi giochi, la letteratura si presta a ben altre immediatezze, talvolta veicolando anche concetti propri di altre discipline, come la Storia o, appunto, la Filosofia, troppo spesso ritenute ostiche da chi non le frequenta assiduamente, preferendo, a torto o a ragione, certe impalpabilità letterarie, cercando la distanza pure dalla logica e dalle scienze.Conservo [...]


    17. Recipe for "The Birth of Tragedy":1. Add one part speculative psychological inquiry into the deepest recesses of Hellenic consciousness.2. Stir in some rousing and thought-provoking anti-Socratic and anti-Euripidean invective.3. Season with a pinch of ecstatically Dionysiac rhetoric.4. If necessary, add more speculative psychological inquiry to taste.5. Beat vigorously until mixture produces an unqualified dithyrambic adoration of Richard Wagner.6. Let stand until properly matured.Serves 1.


    18. "Şunu da söyle ama, ey tuhaf yabancı: ne kadar çok acı çekmesi gerekmişti bu halkın, bu kadar güzel olabilmek için! Hadi, şimdi peşimden tragedyaya gel ve benimle birlikte iki tanrının tapınağına da kurban ver!"25 bölüm. Niçe amcanın ilk kitabı imiş. Doktora teziymiş aynı zamanda. O dönemde sanata özellikle Apollon ve Dion olarak (somut-soyut/superego-ego /akılcılık-aşırılık vb farklarla) ayırıp ele almış mis gibi. Severseniz bir taraftan da Wagner (Parsifal [...]


    19. conclusionirrelevanteNietzsche construyó un ensayo muy ambicioso. El nacimiento de la tragedia no es solamente un tratado acerca de cómo y por qué surgió, vivió y murió sin reproducirse la tragedia clásica griega sino que, al mismo tiempo, fue también una valoración en pequeñito de toda la cultura occidental hasta el momento. Quizá ese sea su mayor problema: la oposición entre lo dionisíaco y lo apolíneo le proporcionó a Nietzsche una dicotomía cuya potencia explicativa rebasaba [...]


    20. A young, bookish moustachioed professor, newly appointed to a provincial chair of philology, falls under the spell of a mysterious, scheming and possibly malevolent composer, whose unholy music break all the boundaries of taste or custom. Our hero soon suspects a dark secret at the heart of his mesmerizing arrangements – but enamored of the composer's innocent wife, the professor descends further and further into the primal madness of music, exploring ancient nameless wisdom so terrible mankin [...]


    21. An examination of the origins and essence of Greek tragedy as the duality of two interwoven artistic impulses: Apollonian versus Dionysian.Apollonian: represents apotheosis of individuationDionysian: represents agonies of individuationVery yin-yang-y. Overly simplistic. Sophisticated versus primal. Good versus evil. Pure versus impure. Rational versus irrational. Cerebral versus emotional.Inaccessible, excessively wordy. Needless repetition of ideas.


    22. With this one I think I'm finally getting Nietzsche, as this is an early work which introduces a number of concepts which, though he didn't continue with them in whole, he still retained their essence. The most important one is how closely tied aesthetics, ethics, and epistomology are, which prefigures many of his later stances on morals and reason. Even stronger to me this time around is his timeliness which lays testimony to his astute historical sense. The institutions of art at the time were [...]


    23. In a work, originally intended to outline the genesis of an art-form, Nietzsche has created what we can liken to the most fascinating conceptual coin. On one side of the coin, we have the 'Apolline', a term which loosely relates to our love for the rational and the beautiful, for systematising reality and cherishing illusion. On the other side, we have the 'Dionysiac', a term which accurately encapsulates a primal frenzy, a chaotic revelry under which "man is no longer an artist, but a work of a [...]


    24. Very interesting insights. His reading of tragedy is absolutely superb, although I think there is a little irony in conceptualising the dinoyesian. I like that he privileged music above other forms; it seems intuitively true. I also think this whole 'hatred of rationality' shite is well, shit. If you read him carefully, he's saying that the best art has an unmixable mix of the 2 forces. I think that he's saying it's impossible to be either 'completely', or if you are, art loses out. He was absol [...]


    25. This took me almost a year (9.5 months) to finish! I read 3- 5 pages every few days because it's hard to understand otherwise.The Birth of Tragedy is a very dense piece of literature. Nietzsche pretty much talks about how Greek tragic art was controlled by two forces - the rational, light of Apollo versus the drunken insanity of Dionysus. I liked the concept that the world is meaningless and so we create art and music to give it a meaning. Probably my favorite part was Nietzsche's little anecdot [...]


    26. A great introduction to Nietzsche. If you want to understand him at all, you have to understand the tension and balance between the Apollonian and Dionysian forces and this is where he clearly explains that dynamic. This is the book that started my love affair with all things Nietzsche.


    27. O Herr Nietzsche, hypocrite lecteur, mon sembable, mon frere! I, too, am fighting hard for the aesthetic, but I find it difficult to extend the same belief as you do. You are fervent, and truly crazy. And you lived before WWII. How, now, can we talk of art? Adorno says that there can be no writing of poetry after AuschwitzAlso you are truly nutty. It shows in your prose. Not tortured-nutty (which is common, see Kierkegaard), or paranoid-nutty (Philip K. Dick) but manic-nutty. That's kinda rarer. [...]


    28. I almost threw this mess of pottage aside as unnecessary in my life at this point in time, but then I dipped into sections 7 and 8 and they are sheerly wonderful.


    29. S5: . we know the subjective artist only as the poor artist, and throughout the entire range of art we demand first of all the conquest of the subjective, redemption from the “ego,” and the silencing of the individual will and desire. Indeed, we find it impossible to believe in any truly artistic production, however insignificant, if it is without objectivity, without pure contemplation devoid of interest. [Note - a concept from Schopenhauer] Hence our aesthetics must solve the problem of ho [...]



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