فتح أمريكا: مسألة الآخر

فتح أمريكا: مسألة الآخر

Tzvetan Todorov بشير السباعي / Apr 19, 2019

  • Title: فتح أمريكا: مسألة الآخر
  • Author: Tzvetan Todorov بشير السباعي
  • ISBN: 9775140161
  • Page: 118
  • Format: Paperback
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      • Tzvetan Todorov بشير السباعي

        In Bulgarian Todorov was a Franco Bulgarian historian, philosopher and literary theoretician Among his most influential works is his theory on the fantastic, the uncanny and marvellous.


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    1. ما ظننت وأنا أفتح أول صفحة في الكتاب أنه سيكون ممتعا ومختلفا لهذا الحدفقد درسنا من خلال مناهجنا التعليمية رحلة كولمبوس في اكتشاف أمريكا بطريقة مغايرة تماماولأول مرة تتاح لي الفرصة فعليا للتمعن في الحدث بهذا المستوى من العمق بل وإسقاطه على عالمنا العربي والإسلامي والربط بين [...]


    2. فتح أمريكا، مسألة الآخر يتكون عنوان الكتاب من شقين يحكيان الكتاب كله، فـ (فتح أمريكا) موضوع الكتاب، بينما (مسألة الآخر) هي قضيته، يقول تودوروف في أول سطور الكتاب "أود الحديث عن اكتشاف الأنا للآخر، والموضوع واسع وكبير" فلذا "ومن بين القصص الكثيرة المتاحة لنا، اخترت واحدة: قصة ا [...]


    3. Todorov creates a loose typology of forms of intercultural interaction through an examination of both major and more minor figures from the Spanish conquest of Mexico. His focus is on the way these various figures communicate and understand different discourses: natural, human, and divine. His conclusion: the Europeans successfully conquer the Americas because of their superior interhuman communication; it is, "paradoxically, Europeans' capacity to understand the other" (248) that allows them to [...]


    4. Todorov's subject is the Spanish conquest of the Caribbean and Mexico in the 16th century. We're familiar with Columbus's discovery of the islands in the Caribbean and their Indians. And how Cortez conquered the Aztecs with a relatively small band of men is an even more familiar story. We've read accounts of priests Christianizing the Indians and how the population was enslaved and decimated by disease. We understand the conquest in terms of the leading edge of 16th century technology coming int [...]


    5. Absolute piece of garbage that couches history in semiotics, Oreintalism and conflict theory. Todorov's whole argument revolves around the idea that the "Aztec" (more accurately known as the Mexica) were incapable of defending themselves. The Aztecs were too superstitious and basically just not smart enough to not be conquered by the Spaniards. And what sources does Todorov use to defend this point? 1) Chronicles by Hernan Cortes and Bernal Diaz are the most cited. What Todorov apparently has ne [...]


    6. كتاب ممتعليس كتاب تاريخ تقليدي يتناول تاريخ فتح أمريكا, و لكنه في الأساس كتاب يتناول مسألة (النظرة إلى الآخر), و كان فتح أمريكا هو بمثابة (دراسة الحالة) لهذه المسألة.كثير من المعلومات تخرج بها من هذا الكتاب الذي كان نتاج الغوص في مذكرات و مؤلفات رواد الفتح من غزاة و رهبان و مراف [...]


    7. أهدي هذا الكتاب إلى ذكرى""إمرأة من المايا التهمتها الكلاب اهداء الكتاب"الكلمات للنساء، الأسلحة للرجال() النساء كن وهن اللاتي يخسرن في جميع الحروب""لقاءالهنود مع الاسبان هو لقاء بشري بادئ ذي بدء ، ولكن هناك ما يدعو للدهشة في ان المتخصصين في الاتصال البشري يفوزون فيه، ولكن هذا [...]


    8. The lack of citations is really not a good look for a book that looks at how perceptions of the other have been rendered in primary sources. There were also far too many ill conceived generalized assertions and misplaced analogies. Idk I took some useful ideas from this book, and I think Todorov has his heart in the right place, but there are a lot of very obvious problems with this work.


    9. من أهم الكتب التي تقرأها في حياتك كتاب يعري حقيقة العالم أمامك



    10. Pur essendo un testo di saggistica, l’ho trovato davvero coinvolgente, di semplice lettura e di facile approccio. Le vicende vengono narrate sotto una luce nuova che ci permette di scoprire diverse prospettive rispetto a quelle che siamo soliti considerare attraverso la descrizione di personaggi storici ed eventi: è una pietra miliare della comunicazione interculturale che ho trovato interessantissima e ricca di curiosità, una di quelle letture che tutti dovrebbero fare nella vita.


    11. I still think about this book all the time and read it well over a yr ago now in class. certain elements just like won't ever leave and I'm grateful to have been able to have a full class's help picking this one apart. Spain conquered Iberian peninsula and the Americas in the same yr. the psychology of that. almost like getting your shit together internally so to speak requires an external projection of violence. writing as a system of domination. the naming of the Yucatan peninsula as Spaniards [...]


    12. divagaciones-de-una-poulain.blSí. El libro básicamente narra y analiza la conquista de América. Por eso parece no pintar nada aquí, pero buenoPrimero que nada, si lo quieres leer tengo que hacer unas pocas advertencias tales comoEvidentemente no es una novela. Así que puedes llegar a partes que no te interesen (hola, Bartolomé de las Casas) y casi quedarte dormido con el asunto. O puede haber citas que te hagan reír (hola, arma definitiva de Cuauhtémoc), o puede haber pasajes que simplem [...]


    13. This book takes an interesting tack in looking at the time of America's conquering and attempted assimilation into the European milieu. Todorov uses a great deal of first-hand documentation to display the mindsets and motivations of such historical figures as Colombus, Cortes, and Montezuma. This is certainly an aspect of the book to be commended. Broadly, the thesis is that the overwhelming majority of the Spaniards were not interested in seeing the natives as people possessing an equal portion [...]


    14. Embora o livro seja de um certo modo cansativo, por suas inúmeras citações de obras antigas (atitude explicada no epílogo pelo autor), é um livro bastante interessante por sua riqueza de detalhes, interpretações e relações.O autor esmiuça a colonização a partir de Colombo, passando por uma série de outros personagens de grande relevância para o entendimento do processo, como Cortez, Las Casas, Sapulveda, entre outros. E durante toda a narrativa foca-se na mudança da "visão sobre [...]



    15. I always rate books based on how the book captured my attention. The Conquest of America is a well-written and entertaining book to read. The author's objective was not telling the conquest's history, but trying to find the elements of the conquest's successful, which is a different perspective as we have seen in this literature. I point out some positive and negative elements of the book.POSITIVE1. I like the elements that define the two types of societies (aztecs and spanish): massacre and sac [...]


    16. This is a remarkable book. It reads rather strangely (translated Polish -> French -> English) but has all sorts of eerie foreshadowing of 20th C. atrocitiies. Don't read if you 're feeling low.Todorov's guess for the preconquest population of Mexico (c. 1500) was about 25 million. By 1650, native population was down to about 1 million, or 4% of the pre-Spanish population. Spanish America went from a population estimated at perhaps 80 million in 1500, to about 10 million in 1650.He recounts [...]


    17. Analisi antropologica dei conquistatori dell'America, da Colombo in poi, e delle loro interazioni con i nativi. Analisi originalissima e di grande interesse.L'introduzione, molto ben fatta, riporta le seguenti parole di Todorov (bulgaro che vive a Parigi, che ha connosciuto questo testo da Edward Said, palestinese a New York, il quale a sua volta l'aveva appreso da Eric Auerbach, tedesco esule in Turchia): "L'esule è colui che incarna meglio, modificandone il senso originale che Ugo di San Vitt [...]



    18. It is always difficult to know how to judge books that were published several decades ago. There is a lot wrong with this book, but it was revolutionary enough when it was published to have influenced the field ever since. So first the positive moves:Todorov was one of the first people to portray Christopher Columbus as anything other than a genius and a hero. In The Conquest of America he comes off as a religious fanatic trying to raise money for a Crusade no one is interested, and as dead set [...]


    19. لقد اكتشفَ كولومبوسُ أمريكا ولكنه لم يكتشفْ الأمريكيين، بهذه الجملةِ ينهي الكاتبُ البلغاري تزڤيتان تودوروڤ الفصلَ الأول من كتابِه البديع، يتعقبُ فيه من خلال يومياتِ كولومبوس ورسائلِه التي بعثَ بها إلى إسبانيا يتعقبُ من خلفِ تلك الكلماتِ ازدواجيةَ مقصدِه (ذهب، نشر المسيحي [...]


    20. الكتاب مطلعش تاريخ زي ما كنت فاكر بس مخسرتش حاجة الكتاب مفيد بشكل كبير موضوعه عن اتصال ال"أنا" بال"هم" أو "الآخر" بيحدد مستويات العلاقة بالآخر ب 3 مستويات : 1- مستوى قيمي : بتحبه،بتكرهه،كويس،وحش إلخ و من هنا اسم الباب الثالث "الحب" 2- مستوى عملي : و فيها بيبان سلوكك مع الآخر إذا كان [...]


    21. I had to read this book for Anthro--Eveline you may have been in that w/me.This book is awesome. I think I've mentioned before that the conquest of America fascinates me. This book delves a lot into the culture clash and the failure of the native peoples to understand the threat posed by the West and why that was. It then goes into a lot of stuff that I remember decrying as pretty racist in a paper about how the native peoples could not think linearly, were stuck in the past and some stuff about [...]


    22. بغض النظر عن المسألة الفلسفية المطروحة في الكتاب و التي ترفض المساس بالآخر أو محاولة وضع نسبية للحق بين العقائد ، و هو ما لا يمكن لمسلم أن يقبله ، خاصة أن المسألة لا تكون شديدة المنطقية في حالة المواجهة المسيحية الاسبانية مع الوثنية الهندية الدموية الا ان الكتاب مع ذلك يحوي [...]


    23. i have never imagined that the spainsh conquest was that bad like really what is the diference between making sacrifice and doing massacre in the name of god d the question here what would have happened if spain didnt enter the americas . the natives had their own life language culture religion .c and just in a blink of an eye the spainsh people came and decided that " you are living your life wrong you are a fucking pagan and you have to be a christian or killed my friend ! " . how i hate t [...]


    24. "The Conquest of America" reveals the basically, the conquest of America, starting with Columbus, and then moving onto the wrath of Cortez and the Spaniards. This is a side of history that is seldom taught in textbooks, yet has become a classic in the field of Sociology and History. A bit slow and painful at times, but if you can barrage through it, you will definitely learn a lot. I give it four stars not because I liked it so much, but because I recognize that it is well written and I cannot f [...]


    25. So good, Todorov maintains a tight focus as he makes two arguments, using the "Conquest of America" as his grounds for both a historical case, and a case for ethically reading. Wonderful, wonderful, though at times the criticism is really very subtle, it is not thereby weaker. Watch for his generous use of others' voices, while never pretending to speak for others and without the conceit of removing his own voice from the narrative. I could only give this book justice with a much longer review!


    26. TRès brillant dans la première partie quand il analyse de façon convaincante les raisons de la vistoire des conquistadors sur les grands empires amérindiens, l'auteur se perd totalement dans les deux derniers chapitres en endossant les affirmations les plus fantaisistes sur la 'responsabilité' des espagnols dans la disparition des 9/10eme des 80 millions d'habitants pré-colombiens. Perdant sa posture d'historien, il décrédibilise un livre qui aurait pu faire date.


    27. Non è tanto un libro di storia quanto uno di antropologia semiotica (o qualcosa del genere): Todorov studia l'incontro tra la civiltà occidentale e quelle amerinde come un caso di incontro tra sistemi simbolici.Non è propriamente un libro per tutti, anche se contiene ovviamente una corposa mole di aneddoti e personaggi, ma se si ha un po' di interesse per la semiologia e/o l'antropologia, è un testo parecchio interessante.


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